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This will loose a lot of people jobs by companies moving over sea to reduce cost etc

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"how we think the world works and how we think it should work."
They get paid millions a year to tell us this, well who the hell are they to decide for me what I think, they have shown no real proof of anything, all their guessing since 1992 has been wrong in fact its been almost exactly opsite, and all we have ended up with is a carbon dioxide tax, which is going to do nothing except add to govt coffers.
Now come and treat me you moron, what treatment do you recomend penicillian or LSD again. If you get the big bucks surely you can come up with a half intelligent method to sell your BS.
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I think that she is wrong, oh dear my self diaognois is half right (crying uncontrollably now, racked with self loathing) where was I, thats right, I cant be a racist because I'm a bigot when it comes to this green garbage, so to the auther can "get stuffed"

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I love it when green fanatics like Norgaard show their hand in such a hateful way. This outburst is just the tip of the iceberg from the looney left and typical also of closet totalitarian activists whose main agenda is world domination by whatever means possible dressed up as green consciousness to suck in the masses. How brain dead must the people who vote for these morons have to be? Must make them feel so chuffed to know their constituency is replete with kindy kids mentality and little else.

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Outbursts like this show that the Professor is truly mad, right out of her mind. I have seen religion hard wire brains and so prevent rational consideration, and the global warming ideology is very clearly doing the same thing.

One can read up on the condition in "The Brain that changes itself" by Norman Doidge, M.D.

We see very much the same thing with Julia Gillard. What louder message could a political leader receive than the Queensland State election result? Yet Julia just cannot accept that she is the cause, and so her mind protects itself from complete insanity by making up new lines that put the blame elsewhere. Julia really believes that it is the voter who has to be educated and made to see matters her way.

If she were to be brought before a court as we see in the movie "The Caine Mutiny" with Captain Queeg, then there would be a complete break down. Her ministers are reacting just like the ship's officers in the film. The only difference is that none of them have the courage to mutiny.


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I think with a little fuhrter study of the analogy, All, will reveal that it is not at all inconsistent. It can equally be asked that is it the oil company's responsibility how their customers use their oil products or how they handle their emissions ? The sale of petrol is a very near equivalent only that we know precisely where the emissions are going to go. With the McDonalds example on a Friday night there is an equal odds chance that drive through waste is going to wind up on the street, just as it does around my factory on week ends (mostly). To their credit I believe that the McDonalds restaurant (within one and a half blocks we have a McDonalds, a Red Rooster, a Dominoes Pizza, a conventional Take a Way sandwich shop, and 2 petrol stations) pays someone to clear away their rubbish, because it does not accumulate. Emissions from power stations obviously do not fit that analogy but they do fit the analogy of a cream freeze vendor who supplies a product that is totally consumed and the rubbish generated (the cans that the liquid comes in and the wrapping from the bulk cones supply etc) in the process of providing the product is completely managed at the point of production. The commonality is that the cost of disposing of the rubbish (trash and CO2) in either case must ultimately be paid for by the customer one way or another, whether it be by the suppliers, the council street services, or via the council rubbish collection services. With the visible rubbish much of the problem is properly managed, the balance becoming a permanent despoilment of our near environment, our water ways, and our oceans with a huge tragic cost being paid by many animal species that become entangled in our waste.At the moment the power stations, the automobile users, the truck drivers, and the ships, are all throwing their invisible waste CO2 into the atmosphere free of charge and, more importantly, free of responsibility. That, Rob b and Savvy, is what is in the process of changing


They probably want us to all be vegatariens too, so no need for fires to cook on, and we'd be required to use passive solar heating to keep warm (at least, until we froze to death!) It'll end up looking like Demolition Man with the Elites living topside in proper society, and the literal underground culture eating meat and smoking and drinking, beyond the reach of the law.


As long as huge contributions to our pitnlicoais, legislation will continue favoring what makes the 1-3% wealthy families and big corporate executives wealthier. FreedomWorks(Tea Party) the front company for wealthy families like Koch Industries (Oil, Gas, and Chemical Billionairs) are going to see to it that it is business as usual for them in the USA.Top Contributors to Federal Candidates and PartiesInsurance: 2000-2010 Total $214,585,915Oil & Gas: 2000-2010 Total $155,373,800Commercial Banks: 2000-2010 Total $150,549,225Pharmaceuticals/Health Products: 2000-2010 Total $139,237,802Note:Halliburton, the company once headed by former Republican Vice President Dick Cheney contributed $15,500 to federal candidates during June, according to a Center for Responsive Politics review of their political action committee’s most recent campaign finance filing.That amount represents the third largest month of donations by the PAC this election cycle.The giving comes at a time when the Texas-based company is weathering a political storm for its involvement on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig that exploded on April 20 and sunk in the Gulf of Mexico, causing a massive amount oil to spill into the surrounding waters. Investigations are currently underway to determine how and why the spill occurred — and who should be held responsible — by Congress and the Department of Justice. Read Full Story: on opensecrets.org Note:Tea Party Movement benefits from millions of dollars from conservative foundations that are derived from wealthy U.S. families and their business interests. Money flowing primarily through two conservative groups: Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks. FreedomWorks receives substantial funding from David Koch of Koch Industries, the largest privately-held energy company in the country, which make substantial annual donations to conservative org… sourcewatch.orgNote:Oil & Gas Industry, history of strong influence in Washington. Individuals and political action committees affiliated with oil and gas companies have donated $238.7 MILLION to candidates and parties since the 1990 (Bush Senior term) election cycle, 75% of which has gone to REPUBLICANS Former oilmen George W. Bush and Dick Cheney occupied the White House for 8 yrs, the oil and gas industry could not win support for repealing bans on drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. However, Congress voted in 2008 to LIFTED BANS on offshore drilling (just before Bush & Cheney left the White House) Read full story at opensecrets.org


So true, and the carbon eiissmon cap in this bill will come nowhere near being effective in keeping us from going over 450 PPM in time. We are already at 390. This is why for the life of me I cannot understand why the voices of these groups aren't louder on this. As it is, industry has now been trying to make a deal whereby if any cap is passed they get a pass on mercury pollution. See, this is what you get when you expect government to do this for you. Why can't the millions spent by environmental organizations lobbying Congress be pooled together to actually go around all this political impasse in buying solar arrays and start putting them up! Why can't we as citizens invest in solar farms through organizations like this directly? Just how much longer are we going to wait for them to do the moral thing? We are running out of time to continue these petitions calls and business as usual lobbying. Oil and coal eiissmons are killing us and hurtling this planet towards irrevocable consequences. Does that not deserve a bit more in the way of noise? Please let me know when this group gets to that point, because I would be more than eager to join you. I just can't see continuing to call these people when I have been writing letters, signing petitions, and calling calling calling calling for the last twenty plus years! we have gone into a new phase regarding climate change in this year, and we can no longer afford to wait for politicians to decide when it is urgent for them to act without them feeling any political fallout from it.


You shouldn’t ccerrypihk the features of the program so that you can shoehorn in your own preferred nomenclature, however useful that policy is to those opposing action.Fran, I think Darryl is referring to the technical legal nomenclature, rather than some personal preference.FWIW I agree with you that in practice, this policy is a cap and trade scheme, rather than a carbon tax. However that doesn't mean that it is incorrect to say that the fixed price phase falls within the general legal definition of a tax, which means the legislation needs to conform with the manner and form requirements for a tax.


Hi George,Thanks for your long & detailed post, I've not had time to fully diesgt it yet, but I will do so & e-mail you this comments form is too restrictive a format to do your reply justice I feel.However, a couple of quick points:1) I mis-spoke about their power output; they actually claimed a steady 2.5kW electrical output. This is in keeping with the original Lister 6/1 Start-o-Matic lighting plants.2) An original Lister 5/1 ran at 600rpm to give 5hp, or 650rpm to give 6hp. The engines are identical. The 2.5kW lighting plant used a 650rpm 6hp engine.3) I have not considered costs either of the engine, the gasifier, the spark conversion, etc. At the moment, these are very much experiments. Here in the UK, with road diesel running at up to a31.50/litre (that's about $9.22 per US gal), and agricultural diesel is about $4.30/gal, I think the costs of a gasifier would be very quickly recouped if the wood fuel was available for free.I'll reply by e-mail in more detail later, when I have some more time.Cheers,Ade.


tsskSeptember 15, 2011 at 3:06 pm | PermalinkOn a side point. Did the ALP ever walk out during Howard’s reign? Because I have a feenilg if the shoe was on the other foot there would be all sorts of commentary on disrespect etc. I can't remember such happening, even though Iraq might have been a reasonable excuse, and Workchoices definitely was.However, there was such a boycott at Kerr's opening of Parliament after the Dismissal and election in 1975.And as you surmised, there were a lot of cries of outrage and disgust from both the coalition and their hacks in the media.


How depressing! The daebte in the media is still over whether AGW is real or not, instead of carbon trading vs carbon tax (has any country seriously looked at implementing a carbon tax?). Despite the well documented flaws in the European carbon market and the proposed CPRS there seems to be more awareness about the problem in Europe than Australia where we are still making plans for a world with $20 barrels of oil and no carbon constraints. At least the introduction of a half arsed system might start the ball rolling.


Another good statement on the topic of the cabron tax. Personally I think the cabron tax and the HST are designed to shift the tax burden from upper to middle incomes groups, with the lowest income groups coming out even after various tax credits, or as the auto industry calls them, cash backs .That almost the entire UBC and SFU Economics Departments support both policies begs a question. Is it the policy to which they are attracted or the party?


Dear Ms Gillard,Thank you so much for obeying your frndies in the mining industry. Us mining bosses were facing a very bleak period under Kev's mining tax and it is great to know that you listened to us billionaires when we are in need. It is good to know that you have kindly donated 1.5 billion dollars to us in your backflip (oops, I mean settlement). Yes, that money could have gone to nurses or schools but it is far better in our pockets. Thank you Julia, you are as good as and probably better than any Liberal Pm could be. And those brainwashed ALP supporters will still vote for you to do our bidding.Yours faithfully,The mining industry.P.S. If you don't obey us next time we will rpelce you too.


Dear Ms Gillard,Thank you so much for obeying your fnderis in the mining industry. Us mining bosses were facing a very bleak period under Kev's mining tax and it is great to know that you listened to us billionaires when we are in need. It is good to know that you have kindly donated 1.5 billion dollars to us in your backflip (oops, I mean settlement). Yes, that money could have gone to nurses or schools but it is far better in our pockets. Thank you Julia, you are as good as and probably better than any Liberal Pm could be. And those brainwashed ALP supporters will still vote for you to do our bidding.Yours faithfully,The mining industry.P.S. If you don't obey us next time we will rpelce you too.


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